Enterprise to put to rest old Star Trek debate.

[1godzillafan]

Dating back to the release of the Motion Picture in 1979, every Trek fan noticed how different the Klingons looked compared to the original series. The reason for this was simple enough, that the Motion Picture Klingons looked in the way they were originally intended to look like in TOS, however budget restraints in the good old days prevented it.

But that's not fair to the people who take continuity seriously now isn't it? The closest thing we've ever gotten to an explaination was Worf's line in the Deep Space Nine episode "Trials and Tribble-Ations" where Sisko, Worf, and company travel back to TOS episode "Trouble With Tribbles" and encounter TOS Klingons. Worf claims "It's a long story" and "Not one we like to discuss with outsiders." I positivly loved how cryptic, lazy, and hillarious this explaination was and would have been just fine going by it, but it seems that the latest Trek series (and my personal favorite, barely edging out Next Generation), Star Trek: Enterprise, is currently planning a two part episode explaining the continuity error.

Article from StarTrek.com (http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/8695.html)

I'm interested to say the least. This is a gutsy direction to go. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

[Atrax robustus]

Enterprise rocks on SOOO many levels! :up:

The Klingon thing has never really bothered me, probably as I took no interest in the original Star Trek.

Its the only one of the series that I look back on and dislike. Next Generation still holds up IMO. The original just doesnt.

(Most Star Trek fans FLAME me for that, but its still my opinion and probably will never change)

[1godzillafan]

The Klingon thing didn't bother me for several reasons, first because I realize the budget problems, second because Worf's DS9 explaination was absolutly hillarious, and third I just didn't give a damn.

While I don't hold the original series to as high a regard as other Trek fans, I still think it's a fun and interesting show to watch. I still rank it higher than Voyager, which I tried to get into but really didn't click with me. Of course I started watching right before UPN pulled it from syndication so I never really gave it a chance.

But still, the TOS movies rocked. Especially Wrath of Khan, Search for Spock, Voyage Home, and Undiscovered Country.

[Captain Bryan]

I'm totally the same way, Atrax. I love Next Gen, and the old one never really got my interest.

[V1P3Rt3Ch]

I like the old ones for occasional entertainment, but Next Generation was the series that always had me. But then it goes in reverse, I like the origonal Star Trek movies vs the ones based off of the Next Generation, better.

[Captain Bryan]

I haven't seen many of the old movies:(

[Drakon]

I liked the original series. But Voyager was the one I liked best. TNG was good, but I never REALLY got into it, you know? Not that it was bad, just not my thing.

[Atrax robustus]

Took me a while to get into Voyager but I love it now.

The thing is, if you want good Sci-Fi any Star Trek series is good. :up:

[Captain Bryan]

Unless you like the really corny Sci-Fi.:D

[1godzillafan]

Originally posted by Atrax robustus

The thing is, if you want good Sci-Fi any Star Trek series is good. :up:

Damn right. Series ranking for me:

Enterprise
The Next Generation
Deep Space Nine (like you and Voyager, took me a while to get into it, but when I did, I was glued to the screen)
The Original Series
Voyager (still need to give it a fair shot, I'll try it out when Spike puts it on the air)

Movies ranking:

First Contact
The Undiscovered Country
The Voyage Home
Generations
The Search For Spock
The Wrath of Khan
Nemesis
Insurrection
The Final Frontier
The Motion Picture

[eSJayBee]

Meh. Next Generation is my favourite. I liked the usual message that each episode had in that series. Like when Data made another android and then Starfleet was ordering him to give it up to them. Picard spoke of "forcing a man to hand over his child to the state? Not on my ship" or something. This basically kept it linked to TOS while expanding into something else. And I loved Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner's acting.

Next would be TOS for its campiness mixed with its seriousness. And I loved the interaction between the three tops: Kirk, McCoy and Spock.

Then, Voyager. It was full of technobabble. How people from the alpha quadrant were able to communicate with the inhabitants of the delta quadrant and also use the same scales and units baffled me. In the alpha quadrant, they had the comfort of "universal translators" for the ones doing the communicating and such. But I absolutely loved the cast. The characters had a real nice connection, in my opinion. I especially loved the Doctor, Neelix and Seven.

Deep Space Nine is next. I haven't seen all the eps of this one like I have for TNG, TOS and Voyager but I still enjoyed the 2nd half. It felt a wee bit like Babylon 5 lite. Quark was my favourite character. And it was great how they took a near-background character like O'Brian out of TNG and into the foreground of DS9.

Enterprise....I haven't seen that many episode of this one. It's certainly different. Honestly, it doesn't have that much of a Trek feel to it, at all. Even the opening is very un-trek-like. With lyrics and all. Not saying that that's a bad thing. I like the song and them showing all the different "Enterprise"s in history up to when their star craft was made. From all the episodes that I've watched, though, I didn't have a favourite character in this one. In time, maybe.


Now then, about this Klingon news: this should be interesting. I'll have to see about catching this episode. I was always curious and I did find Worf's "explanation" very amusing. Plus, that Tribbles episode in DS9 was genius. It was great how they mixed the DS9 crew into the backgrounds of the original show.

[Captain Bryan]

That DS9 episode sounds really fun:)

[Pirateking]

Looky here!

I'll kick off my posting career here and say...Enterprise is a big pile of steaming dung! I've met TWO Trek captains and I still can't say who was the best. Oh OK, I actually can...he flys around in a wheelchair now and directs a gang of mutants! The other one, well I was always fascinated by her hair!

[eSJayBee]

Welcome, PK.

Who's this person you speak of who flies around in a wheelchair and directs a gang of mutants....?

[Movies205]

TOS is the best of the series in concept it was a sci-fi show, unlike the it successors which were Sci-Fi Soap Operas, with that said I love all of them dearly :)

[C. Lee]

I'm glad that they are going to attempt to answer the enigma...just hope they do a good job. I have only in the last couple of weeks been able to see any Enterprise episodes (I like the couple I saw) so will hold off judgement on the worth of the whole series though.

I was, and always will be, an original series lover. I watched them from their first run airings on NBC....so I grew up with them. I can understand how younger people can not be as enamored of it as I am...because they have grown up with things extremely different.

Being the age I am, I grew up before the era of great special effects. You could more easily accept that the man in the suit was a monster, or the model on a wire was a rocketship soaring through the stars...because you had nothing good to compare it too. So when Star Trek TOS came out in the late 60's...science fiction fans were simply blown away. Now, of course, the special effects budget and ability to make fantastic images digitaly for a Saturday morning kids shows is so far advanced from that time it is laughable....but I grew up with and loved the show.

[eSJayBee]

Sometimes, I wish I grew up during the era of the original series. These days, we've seen most of it so nothing comes to us as a surprise. Dang, the wayyou make the TOS sound like a landmark in the sci-fi fan's community... :( Maybe I'll have similiar experiences to speak of like yours when I reach your age.

[Captain Bryan]

Starwars Episode III.
:p
(I can hope:()

[Godzilla2000]

You know, people just read so much into the simple fact TOS just did not have the budget that the movies did.

[Atrax robustus]

Originally posted by Godzilla2000
You know, people just read so much into the simple fact TOS just did not have the budget that the movies did. Yeah, but it will be interesting too see that they come up with none the less. :)

[C. Lee]

Originally posted by eSJayBee
Sometimes, I wish I grew up during the era of the original series. These days, we've seen most of it so nothing comes to us as a surprise. Dang, the wayyou make the TOS sound like a landmark in the sci-fi fan's community... :( Maybe I'll have similiar experiences to speak of like yours when I reach your age.
It was a landmark in many ways...way way ahead of it's time:

Just as a TV show - the most use of races other than white in regular featured and guest starring roles. Regularily showcased people of all races in positions of power and authority (this when there were race riots going on in the streets because blacks were tired of not being treated with dignity).

Some of the product ideas they introduced -
1)the phaser on stun = taser
2)their communicator = cell phone (remember, at the time that it was made, the smallest phone that could be carried around was as big as a 10 gallon gas can and only used by the military)
3)information discs = cd's, dvd's
4)food producer = microwave oven

[Captain Bryan]

I never really thought about it like that, C.Lee.
But yeah, that's very true.:)

[eSJayBee]

Interesting stuff, C. Lee.

[1godzillafan]

A heads up for all whose interest was sparked by these two episodes, Part 1 airs next friday.

I just saw the TV promo for it after tonights Enterprise, and I must say I can't wait. It looks like it'll be a great episode. Someone's leaving Enterprise (obviously Trip, I didn't spoil anything if you saw tonights episode. But it's a safe bet that he'll return to his beloved ship in one of the two episodes), someone's taken hostage (obviously Phlox, because I know that much from what I read over the net. Plus it was in the promo), and someone betrays Enterprise (I'm going to take a wild guess here and say it's Ensign Rivers, AKA Seth MacFarlane's character, I highly doubt it'll be one of the regulars, and his bigger role in this episode pointed out in the interview might be a givaway. I'll watch to see if I'm right).

[Captain Bryan]

Originally posted by 1godzillafan
A heads up for all whose interest was sparked by these two episodes, Part 1 airs next friday.

I just saw the TV promo for it after tonights Enterprise, and I must say I can't wait. It looks like it'll be a great episode. Someone's leaving Enterprise (obviously Trip, I didn't spoil anything if you saw tonights episode. But it's a safe bet that he'll return to his beloved ship in one of the two episodes), someone's taken hostage (obviously Phlox, because I know that much from what I read over the net. Plus it was in the promo), and someone betrays Enterprise (I'm going to take a wild guess here and say it's Ensign Rivers, AKA Seth MacFarlane's character, I highly doubt it'll be one of the regulars, and his bigger role in this episode pointed out in the interview might be a givaway. I'll watch to see if I'm right). AKA Seth MacFarlane's character
:o:o

[eSJayBee]

I hardly watched it but I'm going to miss it. :(

[1godzillafan]

Reminder, it's on tonight. If you miss, in most areas Enterprise usually repeats on Sundays so you may catch it again.

[Captain Bryan]

What time does it air?

[1godzillafan]

Originally posted by Captain Bryan
What time does it air?

Here in Idaho it's 7 PM. But it may be different in other areas.

[eSJayBee]

Originally posted by 1godzillafan
Reminder, it's on tonight. If you miss, in most areas Enterprise usually repeats on Sundays so you may catch it again.
Sunday for me. Thanks for the update.

[1godzillafan]

Well, I must say it was a good solid episode. I never knew Hoshi was that much of an asskicker, but it was a pleasure seeing her kick high.

So what does everybody think of where this is going so far? A virus was a fairly obvious direction for them to go, but I thought the way they tied it into the Augments from earlier in the season was very cool. Plus the revelation about Reed working for Section 31 was very shocking (at least, I assume it's Section 31. The costume that guy he was talking to was wearing looked an awful lot like what Sloan wore on Deep Space Nine).

[1godzillafan]

Part two to air tomarrow night. Stay tuned!

[1godzillafan]

The conclusion aired tonight. All I have to say is John Billingsley gave one hell of a performance this week in yet another top notch episode IMO.

And the whole Section 31 thing is left hanging in the air. Which bugged me a little bit. If you've never seen those certain Deep Space Nine episodes, it will confuse the hell out of you. But I guess there's no doubt anymore that this was Section 31.

[Captain Bryan]

Ah! Damnit! lol