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eSJayBee
11-13-2004, 02:29 AM
Marvel sues two companies over role-playing game

source (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2004-11-11-marvel-sues-over-avatars_x.htm)

LOS ANGELES — Marvel Enterprises is suing two firms behind a computer superhero role-playing game it claims allows players to make virtual characters that are too similar to "The Hulk," "X-Men" and other heroes in the comic book company's stable.
The lawsuit claims South Korea-based NCSoft and San Jose-based Cryptic Studios violated Marvel's trademark characters in their game City of Heroes. Marvel seeks unspecified damages and an injunction against the two companies to stop using its characters.

The personal computer game enables players to design superheroes' look and abilities and then battle against other players' characters in a virtual city. Like similar so-called massively multiplayer role-playing games where thousands of players can be playing simultaneously at any given time, City of Heroes claims to offer a myriad of combinations so that no two players' characters are exactly the same.

But in its lawsuit, filed Wednesday in U.S. District Court, Marvel argues that the game's character creation engine easily allows players to design characters that are virtual copies of its own superheros, including "The Incredible Hulk."

The company singles out a game feature for creating "a gigantic, green, 'science-based tanker'-type hero that moves and behaves nearly identically" to the "Hulk." Players can also create a "mutant-based" hero powers and a costume nearly identical to Marvel's "Wolverine," according to the suit.

The New York-based company also took issue with the ability of players to go so far as to name their superhero creations after Marvel comic book characters.

Marvel claims the firms' are responsible because the game is played on servers operated by the companies, raising the question of whether a company is responsible for their customers' actions on its computer server.

Marvel also claims the companies have disrupted its "existing and future" business prospects for licensing its characters in video games similar to City of Heroes.

An e-mail sent to NCSoft seeking comment was not immediately returned after-hours Thursday. No number was listed for Cryptic Studios.

The Marvel lawsuit appears to be the first to raise this question in the scope of an online game. But early copyright infringement lawsuits brought by recording companies against pioneer file-sharing service Napster successfully argued Napster was liable for its customers' sharing of music online because they could do so only by accessing the company's computer system.

The argument can still be made that City of Heroes is only empowering users to the same degree that an establishment like Kinkos enables customers to make paper copies of copyrighted material, said Fred von Lohmann, senior intellectual property attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

"Is it a violation of copyright to make up a character in the virtual world or is that fair use?" von Lohmann said. "This is really untested ground in the courts."

Drakon
11-13-2004, 03:05 AM
Oh,shit!! I better wipe my Smackdown Data! If they find out that I have an entire mem card of Hulk, Spidey, Logan and Fantastic Four, my ass is getting sued!!

This is going too far.

Captain Bryan
11-13-2004, 12:49 PM
Well... Freedom Force actually allows you to make Spidey and The Hulk and like everyone else if you know photoshop at all.

Movies205
11-13-2004, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Captain Bryan
Well... Freedom Force actually allows you to make Spidey and The Hulk and like everyone else if you know photoshop at all.

Marvel sued people who made creative skins for that game too :)

Captain Bryan
11-13-2004, 02:03 PM
Oh...
Okay then:o

Drakon
11-13-2004, 02:10 PM
http://www.pvponline.com/archive/2004/pvp20041112.gif

Captain Bryan
11-13-2004, 02:13 PM
Heh!:D

Amirius
11-13-2004, 03:58 PM
Ha! Brilliant!!

I think Marvel is going a little overboard here. This could even work for them since maybe people will start buying Marvel games because "I played as this guy in CoH and he rocked there so I bet he'll rock here." The key rule in any industry, No publicity is bad publicity;)

eSJayBee
11-13-2004, 05:07 PM
as I said on another board:

As for this CoH thing: this partly has to do with Marvel's plans to launch their own MMORPG. Even if Marvel's own one could allow you to be an EXACT duplicate of any of their characters, why would you want to buy their game and restart your Hulk or Wolverine when you got one in CoH that's been going at it for months and months? It's taking away from the possible income Marvel could be receiving from their possible customers. Not that I'm siding with them. Heck, I see copywritten names in multiplayer games (fps, mmorpg, whatever) all the time. And even with adjusted skins and models so they look EXACTLY like that copywritten character. Hey, marvel might want to make a deathmatch FPS game one day. Sue them, too.

Movies205
11-13-2004, 05:49 PM
Lawsuits are done all the time, they need to be done to protect copyrights and intellectual properties. THis is most likely so they can send a message out don't go any further than this and will most likely be settle out of court.

Drakon
03-22-2005, 04:44 PM
UPDATE! (http://plaync.com/about/2005/03/federal_judge_d.html)

eSJayBee
03-22-2005, 04:59 PM
In a March 9 order, U.S. District Court Judge R. Gary Klausner agreed with NCsoft that some of Marvel’s allegations and exhibits should be stricken as “false and sham” because certain allegedly infringing works depicted in Marvel’s pleadings were created not by users, but by Marvel itself.

The Hell....?

Drakon
03-23-2005, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by eSJayBee
In a March 9 order, U.S. District Court Judge R. Gary Klausner agreed with NCsoft that some of Marvel’s allegations and exhibits should be stricken as “false and sham” because certain allegedly infringing works depicted in Marvel’s pleadings were created not by users, but by Marvel itself.

The Hell....?

Don't look at me. I just report the news.

Captain Bryan
03-23-2005, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by eSJayBee
In a March 9 order, U.S. District Court Judge R. Gary Klausner agreed with NCsoft that some of Marvel’s allegations and exhibits should be stricken as “false and sham” because certain allegedly infringing works depicted in Marvel’s pleadings were created not by users, but by Marvel itself.

The Hell....? Meaning that Marvel joined the game, created the look-a-likes and then sued.
Sad really.

Atrax robustus
03-23-2005, 12:13 PM
Marvel are morons here! :smad:

Although CoH is currently draining my entire life away (hence the reason I havent been posting here as much) I dont want to see it being trampled over.
Marvel dont own the rights on superheros.
They better not sue Microsoft paint as I once drew a pic of Spidey on it! :smad:

Damn them to hell!

( I still love Marvel though)

eSJayBee
03-23-2005, 12:20 PM
AHA! Just like I told you: you have doomed yourself!

Atrax robustus
03-23-2005, 01:19 PM
I know... my gfriend is very understanding! :p