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1godzillafan
03-24-2007, 01:15 AM
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The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were quite possibly my first obsession, and the first heroes I'd ever worshiped. Every new Turtles toy that was released had to be mine. I had to be in front of that television set every single saturday morning. Why was I so obsessed with the green machine? Well, let's break it down: They're teenagers, they're mutants, they're ninjas, they're turtles. Which one of those is not appealing?

I remember being a 5 year old begging his parents to take him to see the movie back in 1990. Walking into the the theater with a glee and a sparkle in my eye. Today, as I walked into the theater to see TMNT, the fourth Turtles film to date, I felt exactly the same way.

I don't believe you ever lose a fondness for the heroes of your youth. I even hold a soft spot for the Power Rangers, even though I'd probably never look back at a rerun of them ever again. The Turtles are a little more timeless to me, however, since their characters still retain an everlasting appeal into my adulthood. Each one has their own unique personality to form an interesting quartet of heroes that seems timeless.

With all of this in mind, it's very possible that I might not have hated TMNT no matter how poorly it turned out (unless it was really bad. You're talking to someone who will defend Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III). TMNT is a faulted movie, make no mistake about that, but to call it bad is probably a stretch.

It was said before release that TMNT would act to the film continuity the same way Superman Returns did last year, by ignoring the sequels the creators hold to a lower regard in order to maintain a stronger continuity. In the final film, there is really nothing that erases anything in the past films. They don't even try to deny Vanilla Ice's existance in the franchise. It would very well be possible to watch all four films in the same continuity (although, I do grant that III would seem like a hiccup, seeing how it's a seperate story with little relevance to anything). On questionable thing about this relaunch of continuity, however, lies in the treatment of April O'Niell. Is this really supposed to be the Judith Hoag/Paige Turco April from the previous films? In Secret of the Ooze, April could barely use a nunchuck, now she's swinging a sword around like a ninja master. But then again, it's hard to believe living a life with the Turtles and not picking up a few tricks, although this is a bit much.

The main plot of the film is disjointed. It seems as if it was haphazardly thrown together into making the film a visual treat, at the risk of lack of coherancy. It starts out decent enough, with a Mummy-esque opening sequence explaining why events that happened 3000 years ago are going to be relevant today. After that, the story just kind of wings it. The monsters unleashed 3000 years ago are being gathered up by the man who unleashed them. What he wants them for is the main focus of the story, however more important questions sprang to mind. Why are these monsters in New York? How did these monsters get to New York? Were they always running loose in New York? Unnoticed? For 3000 freakin' years? Riiiiiiiiiight.

The story of the film that does work is the bond of the Turtles, as we watch them unite into a team. The personal journeys of each of the Turtles in this film is definatly it's strong point. When they collide into the villian's side of things, it gets to be hit and miss. I'd like to take note of a scene in which the Turtles first encounter one of the monsters, and the Foot Clan rounding it up. There is nothing as small as a double take coming from from any of them, just a modest commentary on it. I'll admit that seeing a monster in a world with humanoid turtles might not be so shocking, but I would still thing that coming across a giant hairy beast kicking ass King Kong style would generate a reaction besides "let's fight it."

I liked the voice acting in this movie. The Turtles themselves were really well casted, and I loved both Chris Evans and Patrick Stewart in their own roles. Sarah Michelle Gellar is passable as April, though she never makes herself heard in between the big boys that steal the show. The late Mako's voice of Splinter is going to be cause of great debate as to whether it's suitable or not for the character. Mako's thick asian accent is offputting at first, but since Splinter is a rat of Japanese decent, as the movie went on, I warmed up to the idea. I was surprised at how humorous the character was though. I took more issue with that to be honest.

"I made a funny! HAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Some well done battle scenes and great animation conclude the highlights. Although, the animation is good, I just didn't get the same feeling I got when watching Jim Henson's puppet creations back in 1990 (or now for that matter). While CG animation has been multipal places before, back then, the creation of the live action Turtles was quite a remarkable achievment that this really doesn't live up to.

TMNT is almost successful at what it wants to do. It just needed a stronger story to back it up. It's not better than the live action trilogy, in fact, I'd say it's probably a little bit worse, though it's watchable fun. Should a sequel surface someday, as long as the characterization remains strong, there's nowhere to go but up.

*** out of ****

eSJayBee
03-24-2007, 04:10 AM
Swell. Ninja April...and this is the same continuity as the previous films? Woo.

I so didn't know Chris Evans, Patrick Stewart, Sarah Michelle Gellar, Laurence Fishburne and Zhang Ziyi were in this movie.... I am naive to have forgotten that any animated movie out of Hollywood will have big names. :rolleyes:

Believe or not, 1GF's review actually did more to make me excited to see this movie than the trailers have.

Drakon
03-24-2007, 06:11 AM
"One questionable thing about this relaunch of continuity, however, lies in the treatment of April O'Niell. Is this really supposed to be the Judith Hoag/Paige Turco April from the previous films? In Secret of the Ooze, April could barely use a nunchuck, now she's swinging a sword around like a ninja master. But then again, it's hard to believe living a life with the Turtles and not picking up a few tricks, although this is a bit much."

According to comic continuity, [both Archie AND Mirage/Image], she actually did learn how to use Leo's blade, and Raph's sai, if memory serves.

I plan on seeing this next week or something, but I too had a bit of an issue with Splinter's voice from the trailer. Not the thick accent, but the tone. It reminded me too much of Aku from Samurai Jack, and that's not exactly the connotation you'd get from Splinter.

1godzillafan
03-24-2007, 10:56 AM
According to comic continuity, [both Archie AND Mirage/Image], she actually did learn how to use Leo's blade, and Raph's sai, if memory serves.



I have no qualms with the idea of Ninja April. Had the series started anew, I probably would have thought more of it, making her tougher and not just the damsel in distress. But the April established in the previous films of the series didn't seem really that keen on learning Ninjitsu. She looked uncomfortable holding two sticks tied together, let alone a sword.

Although a little over a year has passed in the timeline, so a lot could have happened. Obviously she could have asked Splinter to teach her.

Drakon
03-24-2007, 12:19 PM
I understand. But, on personal experience, nunchaku are much harder to use efficiently than a sword, where the idea is to put the pointy end into the other guy.

eSJayBee
03-24-2007, 03:38 PM
Being able to use a sword or sai is a far cry from being the ninja-like April I saw in some clips for this movie, though.

1godzillafan
03-24-2007, 10:28 PM
Yeah, in this flick she's able to hold her own against a dozen members of the Foot Clan at once. Someone with minimal training with a sword against a group of hardcore ninja assassins is very hard to swallow.

Drakon
03-25-2007, 12:09 AM
Yeah....I'm calling Shenanigans on that.

eSJayBee
03-30-2007, 08:57 AM
Wel I finally saw TMNT. I thought it was a good movie but not something that should have been in theaters. The CGI was also not that impressive for theaters, in my opinion. Although some action scenes were nicely done like Mike skateboarding in the sewers and Raph and Leo fighting in the rain.

The story was okay. Felt more like something out of the cartoon series than something that'd happen in the established movie continuity. What I absolutely loved best in this one (like the previous ones) was the interaction between the Turtles. And Splinter, too. I noticed they don't call him Master Splinter here but "father". Nice touch. I also found myself chuckling here and there, too. Not a comedy but not to serious. Like when Michaelangelo asked Splinter and Raph if they had room for one more helmet. You know the scene if you saw the movie. Or Don as the tech support guy who had to deal with people who can't even plug their computer in.. HAH!

I hate how this is supposed to be part of the continuity of the previous three movies but the April here is NOTHING like the April in those movies. Super ninja AND no mention of her at least in the past being a news reporter. She's just suddenly...what, and art dealer or something? They might as well have just named her something else because this wasn't April at all (and I HATED her 12-year-old girl's body...looked ridiculous). If this were a revamp, restart or anything other than stating it's following a previously established continuity, I'd have 0 problems with this new super ninja April. I mean she was able to hold her own against an army of Foot soldiers.

I know people didn't like the voice for Splinter in this movie but I had no problems with it whatsoever. I even dug the added Japanese accent. A shame the voice actor's dead now.

Also, 1GF has a good point. What the Heck were those all 13 monsters doing in New York all that time? I think maybe Winters mentioned something about it early on but I didn't catch it.

TheLanyard
03-30-2007, 09:24 AM
I dug this movie. I think it captured the feel of the earlier movies though yeah, some things were different/lacking.

For CGI, Sure it could have been better at times but it was still pretty good. The city looked amazing. The action scenes were great. I thought it looked better than The Wild, Madagascar, Ant Bully, and Open Season and all were released in theaters.

It was a family movie so I already expected stuff like April being able to handle a squad of foot soldiers since they were apparently just "goons" in this movie. I think it did a fine job for that genre. If you're trying to look at it as anything more than to be entertaining to younger people, then yeah, I can see where you find these faults.

Oh and I was under the impression the 13 monsters were not in New York the whole time. They were arriving for the time of the Portal openning. Like some sort of cosmic event brought them there or something. I don't know. This wasn't one of those movies where I focused on things like that but maybe that's just me...

eSJayBee
03-30-2007, 09:30 AM
Yea I think Winters gave some kind of reason for the monsters all being there in NEw York of all places at that time. Like maybe an attraction to that giant platform thing.

Drakon
03-30-2007, 02:57 PM
Super ninja AND no mention of her at least in the past being a news reporter. She's just suddenly...what, and art dealer or something?

In the comics, she was supposed to be running an antiques shop, so I think that's what they were alluding to, though not mentioning that she was a reporter in the past movies is kinda lame. Though, I still haven't seen it

I know people didn't like the voice for Splinter in this movie but I had no problems with it whatsoever. I even dug the added Japanese accent. A shame the voice actor's dead now.

The only problem I personally have with the voice is that it sounds exactly like Aku from Samurai Jack, so that leaves an impression to me.

1godzillafan
03-30-2007, 10:02 PM
Wel I finally saw TMNT. I thought it was a good movie but not something that should have been in theaters. The CGI was also not that impressive for theaters, in my opinion. Although some action scenes were nicely done like Mike skateboarding in the sewers and Raph and Leo fighting in the rain.


I thought the animation was a lot better than I was expecting. The designs and detail reminded me a lot of the Incredibles. Though, granted, some stiff movement reminded me of Hoodwinked.

eSJayBee
03-30-2007, 10:43 PM
I hated how nearly none of the clothing had folds. Like it was just a part of their body. It looks okay in 2D cartoons but in CGI, it looks...cheap.

1godzillafan
03-30-2007, 10:56 PM
True. I didn't really notice, but I liked the texture on the designs they had as a whole.